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tsh73
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Re: Mentioning LBB at the LB Forum
« Reply #5 on: Jul 15th, 2016, 07:08am » |
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Ok I tried to quote it but prevoius quote didn't catch.
Quote:| I don't really think 'fluency' is required, simply knowing that LBB provides a solution is sufficient. |
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To "know" one need to practice it. Me not.
Quote:Do you actually have any evidence of that?
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No, it's just my guess (based on new LBB users posting "I'll never come back". I wonder where they are now.)
Now this
>> Trying LBB but going back to LB seems to me unlikely, given the range of benefits LBB provides.
>> >>Just because "good enough" is often enough.
>> For that to make sense, there would have to be some inherent advantage in using LB or JB, and I don't think there is.
1) old users get used to LB/JB quirks, so they almost never thred on it. So benefit from bugfix rarely used
2) using LBB improvements makes your program incompatible. It is OK if you share EXE - but on BASIC forum we share code. So it makes you cut from JB/LB forum.
See Bluatigro. He posts on JB /LB /LBB forums. My guess that he is using lowest common denominator of the languages, never LBB improvements.
Personally I think this is most important point.
3) now about "some inherent advantage". This is strictly personal but here at my job (were I spent most of my lifertime) I have some production program eating memory. So LBB almost always says "Cannot create screen bitmap" (until I reboot)
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- it is easily to copy stuff from a JB/LB mainwin
- "they were here first". Folks got used - it is an advantage. Actually, with "good enough" notion - big one.
That was my 0.02$.
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Richard Russell
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Re: Mentioning LBB at the LB Forum
« Reply #6 on: Jul 15th, 2016, 09:44am » |
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on Jul 15th, 2016, 07:08am, tsh73 wrote:| 1) old users get used to LB/JB quirks, so they almost never thred on it. So benefit from bugfix rarely used |
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Even if that is true (and there are some LB bugs that are difficult or impossible to work around) bugfixes are only one aspect of LBB's advantages. I suggest you re-read the benefits section of the LBB help file to remind yourself of what else it does for you.
Quote:| 2) using LBB improvements makes your program incompatible. It is OK if you share EXE - but on BASIC forum we share code. So it makes you cut from JB/LB forum. |
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LBB's improvements do not always make a program incompatible. For example these features don't impair compatibility: In LBB you see the effect of scrolling continuously, in JB/LB only when you release the mouse can you see how far you have scrolled.
There's the possibility of eliminating flicker in LBB by concatenating all the graphics commands into one long string.
The improved numeric precision means results may be more accurate when run in LBB.
Random Access files may be bigger than 4 Gbytes when run in LBB.
The PIE and PIEFILLED commands work more accurately in LBB.
Compiling using LBB provides many valuable benefits (small single-file EXE, DEP compatibility, manifest and Version Info resources, proper icon etc.).
Many programs run much faster in LBB! So whilst it's true that retaining compatibility with JB/LB restricts your ability to take advantage of LBB's improvements, it by no means eliminates it.
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This is an issue which (as far as I am aware) affects only Windows XP, which has a ridiculously small 'pool' of kernel bitmap memory which is easily exhausted. From Windows Vista onwards there is either a much bigger pool, or possibly no limit at all, so I have never seen the problem on those platforms.
But if you are having any problems with LBB you should either post here or contact me personally. I am sure you remember that I added the ability to customise the amount of memory reserved at startup (with a setting in the INI file) specifically for you because you wanted to run it on a machine with Virtual Memory disabled.
Unlike Carl Gundel, who doesn't seem to care how many bugs LB has nor how they affect his users, I will always fix bugs reported in LBB. It's true that long ago I abandoned further developments of LBB, and I am still not motivated to add to the language, but bugs are another matter entirely!
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It's equally easy to copy stuff from the LBB mainwin (by pressing Ctrl+Tab), so long as it hasn't 'scrolled off the top'. You could just as well point to any of the other issues listed in the Compatibility section of the LBB docs and say that it's a reason not to use it. But you have to weigh these against the advantages.
Richard.
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tsh73
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Re: Mentioning LBB at the LB Forum
« Reply #7 on: Jul 15th, 2016, 11:17am » |
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Thank you Richard.
I read all this, and looked to helpfile too.
As for reporting "Cannot create screen bitmap" thing I pretty sure this is my setup problem, should be really rare thing (and XP is dying off anyway - I'll get something newer with eventual upgrade).
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